Garden put in, ripped up, grows controversy
This is how the quad looked when the Food Not Lawns Collective arrived on March 24 to build a garden.
A group of gardeners is growing a thriving crop of controversy on campus, one plot at a time.
At noon on Wednesday, March 24, organizers from the Food Not Lawns Collective (FNLC) and a number of students rallied around Petch Fountain for a “teach-out in urban gardening,” complete with speeches, free food and tea.
“We have the opportunity to act and create the worlds we have in our hearts and bring them out and manifest them — that is what this event is about,” said emcee and FNLC member Matt Loewen at the event. “Let’s start some food production on campus right now.”
Loewen, a UVic political science and environmental studies student, called on the university to offer students what they “really” need.
“We need creative outlets of education that are hands-on and link our learned knowledge and lived experiences,” he said.
Shovels, plants and material for raised beds were handed out to spectators. About 50 students joined in and started digging up the sod between Petch Fountain and a totem pole in front of the McPherson Library. The group was quickly joined by passers-by, and a large crowd assembled around the gardeners.
Students, faculty and community members collaborated to build and plant 10 beds in total.
Helping hands -
Environmental studies professor Karen Hurley was one faculty member onsite with her 400-level class, Women and Environments.
“We have been studying how change happens,” she said.
“If there is going to be any meaningful change on campus, we have to un-settle this place,” said Noah Ross of FNLC. “Through collective action we can remake ourselves and the places we live in from the ground up.”
Campus Security approached protesters several times during the event, but their warnings did not discourage the group. Security was concerned that the noise of the Wild Rumpus marching band was disrupting study time in the library and around campus, without permission.
Just over an hour into planting, Saanich police arrived.
“While everyone has the right to congregate for a common purpose, the idea is not to have any property destroyed,” said Saanich Police Department Acting Sgt. Dan Mayo. “What we’re going to try to do is identify who’s actually causing the damage, and potentially there can be criminal charges that come of it.”
Protesters formed a circle around gardeners who continued to plant despite these police statements.
“When the police showed up and they threatened people with arrest, the circle formed and people protected each other, kept digging, and they got rid of that institutional fear,” said Loewen.
By day’s end, the garden had vegetables, strawberries, kalal and rows of Camas bulbs. Elementary school students had joined the gardening. They took turns with the megaphone.
“From a university perspective, this is a destruction of property and we will continue to move quickly to deal with damage,” UVic Director of Communications Bruce Kilpatrick told the Martlet. “We’re mystified because we’re not sure who we’re dealing with. One hundred to 200 people descended in front of the library doing considerable damage. Large quantities of rock were moved and piles of work were constructed. This took several thousands of dollars to repair [in] staff time and material. There is a heavy dose of ideology in this.”
Fruits fraught for nothing -
FNLC had plans to plant and water throughout the summer, and hold a public feast at harves t time. They never got the chance.
At midnight on March 26, campus administration and Saanich police used bulldozers to remove 10 garden plots,read an FNLC release.
There were still two people at the garden at the time of the bulldozing. A man was arrested for “assault by trespass,” while his companion rode with him in the police van. They were dropped off at home afterwards.
“I can’t say [police] dropped them off right at their front door, but in the area — they essentially gave them a ride home,” said Kilpatrick.
Many students were horrified by the university’s response.
“Yesterday, we proved that we, as students, can build a sustainable and positive relationship with the land,” said UVic student Joyce Lyell. “With the bulldozing of our gardens, it is now more obvious than ever that UVic values lawns over sustainable food, and values control of students over student choice and ingenuity.”
Despite UVic administration’s attempts to contact the individuals they think may be involved, no one has agreed to meet with them.
“Many of us reasoned that, if UVic has ignored formal proposals for agriculture and garden space for well over 10 years, it is ludicrous for the administration to now tell students that there are ‘appropriate channels’ to go through to get permission to garden, and to tell us that initiating meaningful change on our own is wrong,” said one student gardener, who wished to remain anonymous.
A plot not forgotten -
In 2008, the UVic Food Collaborative submitted a proposal to the administration requesting to grow food on the Cedar Hill corner lot at UVic (also known as the CJVI Lands). They have yet to hear a response.
`UVic greenwashes itself as a green university in comparison,” said Loewen. “Green means growing your own food. It doesn't mean building buildings onto where you could grow food despite how ‘environmentally friendly’ the developments are.”
Many gardening protesters were enraged by rumours that the Campus Community Gardens would soon be paved over to make room for a storage facility. However, Director of Campus Planning and Sustainability Neil Connelly says “there's no building plans for that site.”
In 2006, an arrangement was made between UVic and the Campus Community Garden that gave the garden five more years of tenancy on their piece of land. Those five years will end in September 2011, leaving the garden's future uncertain. Also, in the 2003 Campus Plan, the current location of the community garden was identified for development.
“We have opportunities to expand campus gardens,” said Connelly. He has been meeting with garden executives to map out a future location that is more permanent and visible.
“We always knew it was a temporary site. It's a reality for all urban agriculture,” said Ada Saab, an executive director of the garden. “We understand [the protesters] completely, but we're not working with them in any way.”
RIP student gardens -
When the bulldozers’ work was discovered on Thursday morning, March 25, students put up paper signs on the site reading “RIP student gardens.” A flag hung off the totem pole at the site, flying the words “Shame on UVic.”
At 1 p.m., students reassembled back on the deconstructed site of the garden. Approximately 50 people rallied, then marched from the garden to UVic’s Administrative Services. But by the time protesters arrived at the University Centre, Campus Security and Saanich Police were at the doors.
“Folks were angry, and we didn’t know who they were or what their intentions were,” said Kilpatrick. “They were aggressive.”
In the end, doors were locked to keep protesters, who were demanding an apology from the facility, out.
“This is indicative of the administration’s cowardice, that they refuse concerned students entry into the building whose administrators claim to represent them,” said UVic student Erin Davis.
UVic President David Turpin was off campus all day in meetings.
No throwing in the trowel -
At press time, the guerrilla gardeners promised to start their efforts again in the coming week.
“It’s hard to tell [what will happen next],” said Kilpatrick. “We just don’t know. What’s important to us is pressing for those meetings and clarifying false information.”
Kilpatrick adds that the university has structures in place to meet with students and deal with these issues. There are also meetings being held with Campus Community Gardens and the campus planning facility.
“We’re going to keep this going and start building in a real way because it’s completely unacceptable for a university as an institution to keep importing food when we have all this arable land and people who want to do this,” said Loewen. “When you actually grow your own food, you actually cherish it.”
Check the Martlet website for updates as the story unfolds.


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Gwen April 1, 2010, 11:34 a.m.
The piece of art outside the library may take the form of a totem pole, but it's not one. It was created by Elza Mayhew, an artist who worked here, in Victoria, during the middle of the 20th century.
Gwen April 1, 2010, 11:34 a.m.
The piece of art outside the library may take the form of a totem pole, but it's not one. It was created by Elza Mayhew, an artist who worked here, in Victoria, during the middle of the 20th century.
Gwen April 1, 2010, 11:41 a.m.
... might want to start learning a little more about the space being destroyed. UVic is a space for education and dialogue ... right?
Gwen April 1, 2010, 11:41 a.m.
... might want to start learning a little more about the space being destroyed. UVic is a space for education and dialogue ... right?
Geoff April 1, 2010, 1:43 p.m.
Headline: University attempts to cleanup vanadalism.
Geoff April 1, 2010, 1:43 p.m.
Headline: University attempts to cleanup vanadalism.
Shannon April 1, 2010, 2:24 p.m.
Warren wrote:
One should be suspicious of any small group who believes they have the authority make decisions on behalf of an entire populationandFNLC is similar to a dichotomous religious cult with a charasmatic leadership and dedicated brained-washed followers.Are you listening to yourself?
Re your first point: The group of administration who decided to bulldoze the gardens was far smaller than the group of several hundred students who built them. Also, I don't remember UVic students ever having any input into how campus space is used - that decision is made unilaterally by a small group of administration. Furthermore, the gardens only take up a small patch of practically unused grass, leaving the vast, vast majority of lawns on campus for students who like lawns more than gardens.
Re your second point: This proves you haven't done your homework. Most of the students who participated were just interested students walking by. The very loose network of students who sparked the event, has stated explicitly and repeatedly that not only do they have no
leadersand that they operate outside of bureaucracy, they also have made abundantly clear that the students who participated are so diverse that there are norepresentativesof the action in general. Everyone represents their own initiatives and visions, and no one else's.How you have confused
autonomous network of concerned individualswithcharismatic cult with brainwashed followersis utterly beyond me.Shannon April 1, 2010, 2:24 p.m.
Warren wrote:
One should be suspicious of any small group who believes they have the authority make decisions on behalf of an entire populationandFNLC is similar to a dichotomous religious cult with a charasmatic leadership and dedicated brained-washed followers.Are you listening to yourself?
Re your first point: The group of administration who decided to bulldoze the gardens was far smaller than the group of several hundred students who built them. Also, I don't remember UVic students ever having any input into how campus space is used - that decision is made unilaterally by a small group of administration. Furthermore, the gardens only take up a small patch of practically unused grass, leaving the vast, vast majority of lawns on campus for students who like lawns more than gardens.
Re your second point: This proves you haven't done your homework. Most of the students who participated were just interested students walking by. The very loose network of students who sparked the event, has stated explicitly and repeatedly that not only do they have no
leadersand that they operate outside of bureaucracy, they also have made abundantly clear that the students who participated are so diverse that there are norepresentativesof the action in general. Everyone represents their own initiatives and visions, and no one else's.How you have confused
autonomous network of concerned individualswithcharismatic cult with brainwashed followersis utterly beyond me.Sam April 1, 2010, 2:31 p.m.
it would be nice if people who are anti-gardens could check their privilege and think critically for a minute about all the reasons WHY something like this might be going on.
instead of sitting back and criticizing based on shallow notions of what constitutes a
hippie,provide some constructive criticism- otherwise, the points you are making are moot- you just look like an angry person who cannot formulate an argument.Sam April 1, 2010, 2:31 p.m.
it would be nice if people who are anti-gardens could check their privilege and think critically for a minute about all the reasons WHY something like this might be going on.
instead of sitting back and criticizing based on shallow notions of what constitutes a
hippie,provide some constructive criticism- otherwise, the points you are making are moot- you just look like an angry person who cannot formulate an argument.Warren April 1, 2010, 3:03 p.m.
Shannon Wrote:
The very loose network of students who sparked the event, has stated explicitly and repeatedly that not only do they have noleadersand that they operate outside of bureaucracy...Shannon, just think about what you said for a minute. You do not need a formal bureaucracy to have a heirarcy/leadership. What the FNLC has managed to pull-off thus far is a fantastic PR campaign where they are painting themselves as a grass-roots student consortium taking on the big bad university administration.
If you are going to simply accept FNLC's press spokesmen words as unequivocal truths, well you are free to do so.
Warren April 1, 2010, 3:03 p.m.
Shannon Wrote:
The very loose network of students who sparked the event, has stated explicitly and repeatedly that not only do they have noleadersand that they operate outside of bureaucracy...Shannon, just think about what you said for a minute. You do not need a formal bureaucracy to have a heirarcy/leadership. What the FNLC has managed to pull-off thus far is a fantastic PR campaign where they are painting themselves as a grass-roots student consortium taking on the big bad university administration.
If you are going to simply accept FNLC's press spokesmen words as unequivocal truths, well you are free to do so.
Warren April 1, 2010, 3:10 p.m.
On a side note, I think that there should be a formal organized debate between representatives for FNLC and the UVic administration.
Warren April 1, 2010, 3:10 p.m.
On a side note, I think that there should be a formal organized debate between representatives for FNLC and the UVic administration.
Kyle April 1, 2010, 3:10 p.m.
700 people you really need to learn how to count. There were tops 100 active participants and 400 or so bystanders, many wondering why the hell are they doing this. Calling everyone stupid who does not agree with you is pretty immature as are your actions. Personally I do not disagree with having a vedgetable garden on campus, I have fun at my home but the location you chose is for lack of better word, Stupid. There are far better areas outside ring road in low student traffic areas and our not in the middle of the library where the majority of students like to study. My next course of action is too come in and destroy this garden, I am not associated with the administration, I just feel you need a taste of your own tactics
Kyle April 1, 2010, 3:10 p.m.
700 people you really need to learn how to count. There were tops 100 active participants and 400 or so bystanders, many wondering why the hell are they doing this. Calling everyone stupid who does not agree with you is pretty immature as are your actions. Personally I do not disagree with having a vedgetable garden on campus, I have fun at my home but the location you chose is for lack of better word, Stupid. There are far better areas outside ring road in low student traffic areas and our not in the middle of the library where the majority of students like to study. My next course of action is too come in and destroy this garden, I am not associated with the administration, I just feel you need a taste of your own tactics
Shannon April 1, 2010, 3:51 p.m.
@Warren:
Actually, there truly were no leaders. If you'd been to any of the meetings leading up the event (attended by dozens of students) you would know that meetings proceeded in a circle/discussion format, that no one/group dominated any meetings, that everyone's ideas were treated as as valuable as anyone else's, and that there was consensus to have no
spokespeopleorrepresentatives. Every single person who participated in the gardens or meetings contributed positively.I'm not accepting the words of
spokespeopleas truth, because firstly, I was at the meetings so don't need any media interpretations to tell me what I experienced, and secondly, there was consensus that there were nospokespeopleand that any who spoke to the media would represent themselves alone.Out of curiosity, why are you so insistent that the gardeners are not operating at the grass-roots level?
This was possibly the very best example of non-hierarchical self-organization I have ever seen in Victoria in recent years, and I am absolutely inspired to see so many people successfully operating outside of leadership and bureaucracy.
Shannon April 1, 2010, 3:51 p.m.
@Warren:
Actually, there truly were no leaders. If you'd been to any of the meetings leading up the event (attended by dozens of students) you would know that meetings proceeded in a circle/discussion format, that no one/group dominated any meetings, that everyone's ideas were treated as as valuable as anyone else's, and that there was consensus to have no
spokespeopleorrepresentatives. Every single person who participated in the gardens or meetings contributed positively.I'm not accepting the words of
spokespeopleas truth, because firstly, I was at the meetings so don't need any media interpretations to tell me what I experienced, and secondly, there was consensus that there were nospokespeopleand that any who spoke to the media would represent themselves alone.Out of curiosity, why are you so insistent that the gardeners are not operating at the grass-roots level?
This was possibly the very best example of non-hierarchical self-organization I have ever seen in Victoria in recent years, and I am absolutely inspired to see so many people successfully operating outside of leadership and bureaucracy.
Jeff April 1, 2010, 4:04 p.m.
Usually the Martlet's journalism leaves a lot to be desired... well done Kayla! great article!
Jeff April 1, 2010, 4:04 p.m.
Usually the Martlet's journalism leaves a lot to be desired... well done Kayla! great article!
RYan April 1, 2010, 4:09 p.m.
What a one sided article, I mean really......is that what the Martlet calls an objective news article? Is there any thing to far to the left for this so-called
newspaper?Why doesn't the article point out that a good amount of the people working on the 'Garden' don't even go to UVIC. From what I observed most people watching were not supporting the vandalism but a merely observing, like a car accident. The Martlet has become nothing more than an propaganda echo chamber for these vandals and their ideological ilk.P.S. nice anarchist flag!
RYan April 1, 2010, 4:09 p.m.
What a one sided article, I mean really......is that what the Martlet calls an objective news article? Is there any thing to far to the left for this so-called
newspaper?Why doesn't the article point out that a good amount of the people working on the 'Garden' don't even go to UVIC. From what I observed most people watching were not supporting the vandalism but a merely observing, like a car accident. The Martlet has become nothing more than an propaganda echo chamber for these vandals and their ideological ilk.P.S. nice anarchist flag!
Bahram Farzady April 1, 2010, 4:09 p.m.
Great cause. I hate factory farming and I hate that all of our veggies are not local.
But this is civil disobedience. If this group wants a criminal record for this and they think this will end up making the slightest lick of difference, they can do as they please.
The drums were ridiculous though. Outside the library and Clearihue. That was just disrespectful.
Bahram Farzady April 1, 2010, 4:09 p.m.
Great cause. I hate factory farming and I hate that all of our veggies are not local.
But this is civil disobedience. If this group wants a criminal record for this and they think this will end up making the slightest lick of difference, they can do as they please.
The drums were ridiculous though. Outside the library and Clearihue. That was just disrespectful.
Mark April 1, 2010, 4:13 p.m.
Kyle, you wrote
My next course of action is too come in and destroy this garden.I would like to help with this. I do not want it to last the weekend.Mark April 1, 2010, 4:13 p.m.
Kyle, you wrote
My next course of action is too come in and destroy this garden.I would like to help with this. I do not want it to last the weekend.a student April 1, 2010, 4:15 p.m.
@Kyle
I'll help too. Let's go to town on this bullshit, this weekend?
a student April 1, 2010, 4:15 p.m.
@Kyle
I'll help too. Let's go to town on this bullshit, this weekend?
Kate April 1, 2010, 4:16 p.m.
Who knew that planting a beautiful garden could become such a point of contention? I understand that not everyone is on board with this particular form of action, and I do believe that it is important to remain critical, especially in a university environment. However my only advice to people who weren’t on board with ...the message and/or tactics of the RIF is to go out and use your energy mobilizing for a cause that you do support and that is important to you and your values. It just seems wasteful as student with the privilege to obtain a higher education to spend all this time fighting one another. Standing up for what you believe in can be a tough thing, unfortunately sitting back and judging is all too easy. Is it possible to disagree while supporting each other, I don’t know, but I think we should try.
Kate April 1, 2010, 4:16 p.m.
Who knew that planting a beautiful garden could become such a point of contention? I understand that not everyone is on board with this particular form of action, and I do believe that it is important to remain critical, especially in a university environment. However my only advice to people who weren’t on board with ...the message and/or tactics of the RIF is to go out and use your energy mobilizing for a cause that you do support and that is important to you and your values. It just seems wasteful as student with the privilege to obtain a higher education to spend all this time fighting one another. Standing up for what you believe in can be a tough thing, unfortunately sitting back and judging is all too easy. Is it possible to disagree while supporting each other, I don’t know, but I think we should try.
avid gardener April 1, 2010, 4:24 p.m.
@ those who say they will try to ruin the garden-
that will solve nothing. if anything, it will illustrate your inability to accept different points of views/actions- which is alarming. we do not all have to agree on what happened, but I think that the dialogue coming out of it is very valuable- i have never seen so many students engaging with each other in critical discussions- it is very transformative and inspiring. the reality that not ALL students agree with each other makes this possible. and it is a good thing.
ruining the gardens will send the wrong message to our community, as well as larger communities that are following this nationally and internationally.
there will be people there around the clock- documenting everything that goes on in the gardens. instead of coming to ruin the gardens, come and talk to us. like I said, we don't have to agree, it is impossible- however, if you care enough to be this upset, it would be great to be able to talk about this- it would be beneficial for everyone to try to understand eachother's points of view.
avid gardener April 1, 2010, 4:24 p.m.
@ those who say they will try to ruin the garden-
that will solve nothing. if anything, it will illustrate your inability to accept different points of views/actions- which is alarming. we do not all have to agree on what happened, but I think that the dialogue coming out of it is very valuable- i have never seen so many students engaging with each other in critical discussions- it is very transformative and inspiring. the reality that not ALL students agree with each other makes this possible. and it is a good thing.
ruining the gardens will send the wrong message to our community, as well as larger communities that are following this nationally and internationally.
there will be people there around the clock- documenting everything that goes on in the gardens. instead of coming to ruin the gardens, come and talk to us. like I said, we don't have to agree, it is impossible- however, if you care enough to be this upset, it would be great to be able to talk about this- it would be beneficial for everyone to try to understand eachother's points of view.
Susan April 1, 2010, 4:30 p.m.
Just curious ... how will the garden be watered so the plants don't die? A bucket brigade heading into the McPherson Library! Or do symbolic gardens not need watering?
Susan April 1, 2010, 4:30 p.m.
Just curious ... how will the garden be watered so the plants don't die? A bucket brigade heading into the McPherson Library! Or do symbolic gardens not need watering?
Dr.K April 1, 2010, 4:50 p.m.
I hope the police charge those involved in this. This is vandalism of public property, perpetrated by people who have no idea how you get things done in the real world. Grow up people!
Dr.K April 1, 2010, 4:50 p.m.
I hope the police charge those involved in this. This is vandalism of public property, perpetrated by people who have no idea how you get things done in the real world. Grow up people!
Mr M April 1, 2010, 5:04 p.m.
would just like to say the people who are threatening to destroy the gardens are not being immature. You
gardenershave proven unable to engage in any sort of dialogue. The students are angry at the lack of action the university has taken against you and will take matters into their own hands. You destroyed school property we'd just be helping to fix it.Mr M April 1, 2010, 5:04 p.m.
would just like to say the people who are threatening to destroy the gardens are not being immature. You
gardenershave proven unable to engage in any sort of dialogue. The students are angry at the lack of action the university has taken against you and will take matters into their own hands. You destroyed school property we'd just be helping to fix it.Bahram Farzady April 1, 2010, 5:33 p.m.
I believe it's actually private property. Gov't funded, but ultimately private.
If you think that the English lawn is better than a vegetable garden you're just a dope.
The only question is whether a bunch of grass where there could be vegetable gardens warrants civil disobedience. Maybe it does. It's ridiculous how much empty grass there is on Campus. Not just our campus but the campuses of universities all over North America.
You're going to destroy a garden?
What problem could you possibly have with the existence of a garden. It's not your property it has been built on.
Bahram Farzady April 1, 2010, 5:33 p.m.
I believe it's actually private property. Gov't funded, but ultimately private.
If you think that the English lawn is better than a vegetable garden you're just a dope.
The only question is whether a bunch of grass where there could be vegetable gardens warrants civil disobedience. Maybe it does. It's ridiculous how much empty grass there is on Campus. Not just our campus but the campuses of universities all over North America.
You're going to destroy a garden?
What problem could you possibly have with the existence of a garden. It's not your property it has been built on.
Ross April 1, 2010, 6:09 p.m.
It was fun to watch, and totally harmless. All the angry posters need to chill the f*ck out. Hole digging hippies should be encouraged, even if only for the sake of providing a welcome bit of entertainment.
Ross April 1, 2010, 6:09 p.m.
It was fun to watch, and totally harmless. All the angry posters need to chill the f*ck out. Hole digging hippies should be encouraged, even if only for the sake of providing a welcome bit of entertainment.
Mark April 1, 2010, 6:13 p.m.
Are you joking?
What problem could you possibly have with the existence of a garden. It's not your property it has been built on.It's also not your property to build on.
Mark April 1, 2010, 6:13 p.m.
Are you joking?
What problem could you possibly have with the existence of a garden. It's not your property it has been built on.It's also not your property to build on.
Felix April 1, 2010, 7:11 p.m.
As someone who participated in both garden constructions, I can confirm that this was not just
PR campaign.There seemed to be only a small number of people (maybe 10 or 15) who brought the info tables, band, shovels, and plants. All they did was shout,let's build a garden!and everyone else got involved spontaneously.I had no idea that this was going to happen, no connection with the group doing it, and just happened to be walking by the library a few minutes before the digging started.
I and at least a hundred like me thought,
Holy crap this is actually happening; this is wonderful!and pitched in to help. And texted others, who also thought it was great and came to help. I think that easily substitutes for the usual democratic process, and is just as democratic and representative. Certainly almost no one showed up to object -- I know of only two people who said anything against the garden, both times it was being built. (I'm not counting the police, administration, or the three guys who came last night to throw eggs and run away.)I'm saddened that there are people who don't think it's wonderful and amazing to bypass a bureaucracy and just f*cking get something constructive done in a SINGLE DAY. (Because what we did didn't harm anyone -- don't worry, there's no danger of these gardeners assaulting the lawns of private houses. Unless of course the houses are occupied and paid for by students and taxpayers, and the title landowner hardly ever visits and doesn't live there...)
That lawn may be private property on paper, but follow that paper trail back to who actually paid for it: taxpayers and students. The purpose of that land, as implied by the university's mandate? It's student space.
I ask you to set aside for a moment the fact that this protest has happened:
Realistically if enough of the student body wants it turned into a garden, we could turn it into a garden through the proper channels. And the number of people who participated is easily enough to make that happen -- the rest of students don't care enough to campaign one way or the other, but they'd probably sign a petition if asked. Even the most violent objectors here would probably have signed it (of course they wouldn't now, because the protest was an affront to the process).
When you get down to it, for the vast majority of human beings garden versus lawn is an easy win for the garden (especially if the lawn is a small one that's usually ignored in favour of the bigger, nicer lawn behind it).
So why is it such a problem for you that the garden is there now?
~Felix.
Felix April 1, 2010, 7:11 p.m.
As someone who participated in both garden constructions, I can confirm that this was not just
PR campaign.There seemed to be only a small number of people (maybe 10 or 15) who brought the info tables, band, shovels, and plants. All they did was shout,let's build a garden!and everyone else got involved spontaneously.I had no idea that this was going to happen, no connection with the group doing it, and just happened to be walking by the library a few minutes before the digging started.
I and at least a hundred like me thought,
Holy crap this is actually happening; this is wonderful!and pitched in to help. And texted others, who also thought it was great and came to help. I think that easily substitutes for the usual democratic process, and is just as democratic and representative. Certainly almost no one showed up to object -- I know of only two people who said anything against the garden, both times it was being built. (I'm not counting the police, administration, or the three guys who came last night to throw eggs and run away.)I'm saddened that there are people who don't think it's wonderful and amazing to bypass a bureaucracy and just f*cking get something constructive done in a SINGLE DAY. (Because what we did didn't harm anyone -- don't worry, there's no danger of these gardeners assaulting the lawns of private houses. Unless of course the houses are occupied and paid for by students and taxpayers, and the title landowner hardly ever visits and doesn't live there...)
That lawn may be private property on paper, but follow that paper trail back to who actually paid for it: taxpayers and students. The purpose of that land, as implied by the university's mandate? It's student space.
I ask you to set aside for a moment the fact that this protest has happened:
Realistically if enough of the student body wants it turned into a garden, we could turn it into a garden through the proper channels. And the number of people who participated is easily enough to make that happen -- the rest of students don't care enough to campaign one way or the other, but they'd probably sign a petition if asked. Even the most violent objectors here would probably have signed it (of course they wouldn't now, because the protest was an affront to the process).
When you get down to it, for the vast majority of human beings garden versus lawn is an easy win for the garden (especially if the lawn is a small one that's usually ignored in favour of the bigger, nicer lawn behind it).
So why is it such a problem for you that the garden is there now?
~Felix.
gilbe April 1, 2010, 10:46 p.m.
These FNL members obviously did not do their homework. The common gardens are but a stones throw away on campus. This publicity stunt did nothing but tarnish whatever credibility that they had before their actions took place. hat they attempted to build was the complete opposite of a sustainable garden. Who was going to tend it it? Why would they think it was going to be allowed to stand? If they were so adamant about building gardens in the quad area, they could have put all that effort (and been more patient) into trying to communicate with UVic administration. Yes, bureaucratic channels often take some time, but at least what comes out of it has satisfied the parties involved. UVic land is private property. What the FNL members (and volunteers involved) did was vandalism. Would the majority of us consider going into our next door neighbour's home and taking what we liked then destroyed whatever we did not? No, I truly hope not. As with most anarchy inspired groups, these so-called guerilla gardeners are only self-serving and selfish people. They act with the same intentions of their own best interest (without thought for the others that it may affect) in a similar fashion as the corporations or management that they aspire to defy. They intentionally disturbed people paying for an education and attempting to focus at a very important time of year (exams etc.) I do not know this Loewen person, but I hope that he and any other UVic student, faculty, and staff member are removed from the university and stripped of any mark that they may have received at the end of this term. For those who were not students, I hope that criminal charges are laid. As for the elementary students involved in this, why would a group with any credibility allow children to participate in criminal activity? That is just another shield for this FNL group to use as cover as they seem to be unwilling to face the people who could make their efforts meaningful.
gilbe April 1, 2010, 10:46 p.m.
These FNL members obviously did not do their homework. The common gardens are but a stones throw away on campus. This publicity stunt did nothing but tarnish whatever credibility that they had before their actions took place. hat they attempted to build was the complete opposite of a sustainable garden. Who was going to tend it it? Why would they think it was going to be allowed to stand? If they were so adamant about building gardens in the quad area, they could have put all that effort (and been more patient) into trying to communicate with UVic administration. Yes, bureaucratic channels often take some time, but at least what comes out of it has satisfied the parties involved. UVic land is private property. What the FNL members (and volunteers involved) did was vandalism. Would the majority of us consider going into our next door neighbour's home and taking what we liked then destroyed whatever we did not? No, I truly hope not. As with most anarchy inspired groups, these so-called guerilla gardeners are only self-serving and selfish people. They act with the same intentions of their own best interest (without thought for the others that it may affect) in a similar fashion as the corporations or management that they aspire to defy. They intentionally disturbed people paying for an education and attempting to focus at a very important time of year (exams etc.) I do not know this Loewen person, but I hope that he and any other UVic student, faculty, and staff member are removed from the university and stripped of any mark that they may have received at the end of this term. For those who were not students, I hope that criminal charges are laid. As for the elementary students involved in this, why would a group with any credibility allow children to participate in criminal activity? That is just another shield for this FNL group to use as cover as they seem to be unwilling to face the people who could make their efforts meaningful.
Mario Szabo April 2, 2010, 12:49 a.m.
The construction of the community garden was beyond a protest. It bothers me that we are bickering over a pretty straightforward argument. Our world depends on a finite commodity for transporting all of our resources such as food. To many of you, this is not news. Planting sustainable farms in our community is crucial for our survival. It may not seem that way right now, but we will run out of fossil fuels. Transportation of foods will be halted. You can forget about your career if there is no food to feed your stomach. Part of attending university is to open your eyes to the bigger picture. The music from enthusiastic people may have disrupted at most a few hours of study, but that is nothing compared to the fighting over food that will occur in the future to come unless we change our ways. It's too late to be a pessimist. Immediate action is required. Constructing the community gardens was more than a protest. It was a means to open our eyes to the bigger picture. Destroying the garden will not help anything. Indeed, the land outside the library may not be the most suitable location for growing food, which is all the more reason the university should provide land that is.
My love goes out to my brave friends who fight for what they believe in.
Mario Szabo April 2, 2010, 12:49 a.m.
The construction of the community garden was beyond a protest. It bothers me that we are bickering over a pretty straightforward argument. Our world depends on a finite commodity for transporting all of our resources such as food. To many of you, this is not news. Planting sustainable farms in our community is crucial for our survival. It may not seem that way right now, but we will run out of fossil fuels. Transportation of foods will be halted. You can forget about your career if there is no food to feed your stomach. Part of attending university is to open your eyes to the bigger picture. The music from enthusiastic people may have disrupted at most a few hours of study, but that is nothing compared to the fighting over food that will occur in the future to come unless we change our ways. It's too late to be a pessimist. Immediate action is required. Constructing the community gardens was more than a protest. It was a means to open our eyes to the bigger picture. Destroying the garden will not help anything. Indeed, the land outside the library may not be the most suitable location for growing food, which is all the more reason the university should provide land that is.
My love goes out to my brave friends who fight for what they believe in.
Another frustrated student April 2, 2010, 1:33 a.m.
I really don't understand how one group which does not represent the majority of the student body can decide to go ahead and ruin school property by putting in what they consider improvements, and then have a noisy, disruptive protest outside of the LIBRARY when the university discourages their
guerillaefforts, AND STILL have the gall to tell students who were upset about the protest noise outside the library to go somewhere else if they are bothered.Now, I support local foods, organic foods, ethical production of foods, and I agree that food security is something that people should be educated about, HOWEVER, deciding, without consulting the larger student body, to dig up the lawn outside of the LIBRARY, where people are studying and trying to get work done, is not a productive course of action in my opinion. Furthermore, was it really expected that UVic would look at these actions and say,
Yeah, okay, you didn't ask ANYBODY if you could do this or, for that matter, if anyone WANTED this, but we'll let you go ahead?I have no problems with gardens or with people who enjoy gardening. Or with people who think that gardens are important symbols for larger issues. Whatever. What I oppose is the way this group appeared to feel that it could decide what was best for the rest of the school without performing any consultation whatsoever, and calling those who didn't agree with their cause ill-informed or immature. You can't just take whatever you want whenever you feel like it. By that logic, I should be able to go to the homes of this groups' members and do whatever I see fit with THEIR lawns.
I don't know what issues there are surrounding the field by Mystic Vale (the one that used to be an orchard?) but wouldn't THAT be a more suitable location for a project like this? More space, less opposition, unused space...
I'm really embarrassed for the individuals who think that it is okay to just take what they want because they claim that it is for a cause. The actions themselves were peaceful enough, but are going to cost everyone, even those who didn't agree with the movement, money to repair the damage. You're also likely to be met with counter movements of students who will wreck your gardens because they don't agree with this cause or how it was presented. I'm sure the intentions were honorable, but the execution, in my opinion, was quite poor.
At the very least, I don't think it's too much to ask the members of this group to kindly keep it down outside of the library. I've seen some comments on the facebook thread saying go to one of the other buildings to study, but that's really not fair. First you take space that is rightfully EVERYONE'S space for yourselves, and then you tell people who are trying to study in a building that is MEANT for studying that they don't have a right to be angry with you. THAT seems immature to me.
Another frustrated student April 2, 2010, 1:33 a.m.
I really don't understand how one group which does not represent the majority of the student body can decide to go ahead and ruin school property by putting in what they consider improvements, and then have a noisy, disruptive protest outside of the LIBRARY when the university discourages their
guerillaefforts, AND STILL have the gall to tell students who were upset about the protest noise outside the library to go somewhere else if they are bothered.Now, I support local foods, organic foods, ethical production of foods, and I agree that food security is something that people should be educated about, HOWEVER, deciding, without consulting the larger student body, to dig up the lawn outside of the LIBRARY, where people are studying and trying to get work done, is not a productive course of action in my opinion. Furthermore, was it really expected that UVic would look at these actions and say,
Yeah, okay, you didn't ask ANYBODY if you could do this or, for that matter, if anyone WANTED this, but we'll let you go ahead?I have no problems with gardens or with people who enjoy gardening. Or with people who think that gardens are important symbols for larger issues. Whatever. What I oppose is the way this group appeared to feel that it could decide what was best for the rest of the school without performing any consultation whatsoever, and calling those who didn't agree with their cause ill-informed or immature. You can't just take whatever you want whenever you feel like it. By that logic, I should be able to go to the homes of this groups' members and do whatever I see fit with THEIR lawns.
I don't know what issues there are surrounding the field by Mystic Vale (the one that used to be an orchard?) but wouldn't THAT be a more suitable location for a project like this? More space, less opposition, unused space...
I'm really embarrassed for the individuals who think that it is okay to just take what they want because they claim that it is for a cause. The actions themselves were peaceful enough, but are going to cost everyone, even those who didn't agree with the movement, money to repair the damage. You're also likely to be met with counter movements of students who will wreck your gardens because they don't agree with this cause or how it was presented. I'm sure the intentions were honorable, but the execution, in my opinion, was quite poor.
At the very least, I don't think it's too much to ask the members of this group to kindly keep it down outside of the library. I've seen some comments on the facebook thread saying go to one of the other buildings to study, but that's really not fair. First you take space that is rightfully EVERYONE'S space for yourselves, and then you tell people who are trying to study in a building that is MEANT for studying that they don't have a right to be angry with you. THAT seems immature to me.
Joe Student April 2, 2010, 2:18 a.m.
Shannon:
Also, I don't remember UVic students ever having any input into how campus space is used - that decision is made unilaterally by a small group of administration.Sorry, but this is false. Contact your elected student representatives. Students are involved in crafting and revising the campus plan.not only do they have noleadersand that they operate outside of bureaucracythere was consensus to have no 'spokespeople' or 'representatives'.If you have no leaders or representatives, how does the media seem to know to all interview the same core group of people. Surely it's not a coincidence that they all guessed the same people. Who decided which people got to give a speech by the fountain?
hugh:
more than 500 people showed up yesterday to celebrate!No, at least 3/4 of the people there stopped by to investigate what was worthy of banging drums and cymbals while students tried to study and write tests.Kate:
the message and/or tactics of the RIF is to go out and use your energy mobilizing for a cause that you do support and that is important to you and your values.And what if I'm really passionate about lawns?avid gardener:
that will solve nothing. if anything, it will illustrate your inability to accept different points of views/actions- which is alarming.Are you saying we should just leave people alone who arbitrarily decide how they want to use campus space? What if I felt I should build myself a shack in the quad? If you oppose this then you demonstrate your inability to accept different view points.Mario Szabo:
The construction of the community garden was beyond a protest.So you are saying this is a legitimate attempt to grow food on campus? Why did you choose a location that does not achieve optimal sunlight due to the library's shadow then? Why was non-food planted?Joe Student April 2, 2010, 2:18 a.m.
Shannon:
Also, I don't remember UVic students ever having any input into how campus space is used - that decision is made unilaterally by a small group of administration.Sorry, but this is false. Contact your elected student representatives. Students are involved in crafting and revising the campus plan.not only do they have noleadersand that they operate outside of bureaucracythere was consensus to have no 'spokespeople' or 'representatives'.If you have no leaders or representatives, how does the media seem to know to all interview the same core group of people. Surely it's not a coincidence that they all guessed the same people. Who decided which people got to give a speech by the fountain?
hugh:
more than 500 people showed up yesterday to celebrate!No, at least 3/4 of the people there stopped by to investigate what was worthy of banging drums and cymbals while students tried to study and write tests.Kate:
the message and/or tactics of the RIF is to go out and use your energy mobilizing for a cause that you do support and that is important to you and your values.And what if I'm really passionate about lawns?avid gardener:
that will solve nothing. if anything, it will illustrate your inability to accept different points of views/actions- which is alarming.Are you saying we should just leave people alone who arbitrarily decide how they want to use campus space? What if I felt I should build myself a shack in the quad? If you oppose this then you demonstrate your inability to accept different view points.Mario Szabo:
The construction of the community garden was beyond a protest.So you are saying this is a legitimate attempt to grow food on campus? Why did you choose a location that does not achieve optimal sunlight due to the library's shadow then? Why was non-food planted?Bahram Farzady April 2, 2010, 3:24 a.m.
They shouldn't have made so much noise. That's the only real criticism.
Bahram Farzady April 2, 2010, 3:24 a.m.
They shouldn't have made so much noise. That's the only real criticism.
Felix April 2, 2010, 4:42 a.m.
Sigh wrote:
I used to play frisbee on that grass and was looking forward to doing so in the summer months. Now I get to enjoy muddy shoes and an anarchist totem pole (?!) staring down on meexcuse me? Are you implying that the totem pole wasn't there before? That the gardeners put it up?
That thing's been there for years. It's part of UVic's collection of indigenious-looking art. The frisbee games usually happen on the much larger lawn, which is intact.*
: Some people planted a tree there on Wednesday; it got moved tonight because it was* in the way of frisbee games. Also, the anarchist flag has been removed from the totem pole statue.
Looks like the gardeners are a lot faster to respond and more efficient than the UVic bureaucracy, eh? :)
~Felix.
Felix April 2, 2010, 4:42 a.m.
Sigh wrote:
I used to play frisbee on that grass and was looking forward to doing so in the summer months. Now I get to enjoy muddy shoes and an anarchist totem pole (?!) staring down on meexcuse me? Are you implying that the totem pole wasn't there before? That the gardeners put it up?
That thing's been there for years. It's part of UVic's collection of indigenious-looking art. The frisbee games usually happen on the much larger lawn, which is intact.*
: Some people planted a tree there on Wednesday; it got moved tonight because it was* in the way of frisbee games. Also, the anarchist flag has been removed from the totem pole statue.
Looks like the gardeners are a lot faster to respond and more efficient than the UVic bureaucracy, eh? :)
~Felix.
Geet Off My Lawn April 2, 2010, 11:53 p.m.
Looks like the gardeners are a lot faster to respond and more efficient than the UVic bureaucracy, eh? :)Now if they can only respond this fast to our main complaint: not digging up the lawn.
The school should really force you guys to take some more courses... Spend your energy on something more productive, something that doesn't piss off your fellow students.
Geet Off My Lawn April 2, 2010, 11:53 p.m.
Looks like the gardeners are a lot faster to respond and more efficient than the UVic bureaucracy, eh? :)Now if they can only respond this fast to our main complaint: not digging up the lawn.
The school should really force you guys to take some more courses... Spend your energy on something more productive, something that doesn't piss off your fellow students.
Astonished April 3, 2010, 12:58 a.m.
Take a deep breath and a chill pill people. It was about 10m x 10m of scraggly lawn covered in some cigarette butts and rabbit shit. Now there's a colourful garden that any single one of you can stop by and pick a carrot or strawberry from in the summer or fall.
Frisbee fields intact + now getting to eat fresh berries in the summer = better for everyone.
Astonished April 3, 2010, 12:58 a.m.
Take a deep breath and a chill pill people. It was about 10m x 10m of scraggly lawn covered in some cigarette butts and rabbit shit. Now there's a colourful garden that any single one of you can stop by and pick a carrot or strawberry from in the summer or fall.
Frisbee fields intact + now getting to eat fresh berries in the summer = better for everyone.
Lawn Lovers? April 3, 2010, 1 a.m.
Do you
it's vandalism!whiners masturbate to photos of private property and lawnmowers or something? Why the obsessive attachment?Lawn Lovers? April 3, 2010, 1 a.m.
Do you
it's vandalism!whiners masturbate to photos of private property and lawnmowers or something? Why the obsessive attachment?@ Lawn Lovers? April 3, 2010, 2:15 a.m.
Yes I do masturbate to lawn porn. What is your point?
@ Lawn Lovers? April 3, 2010, 2:15 a.m.
Yes I do masturbate to lawn porn. What is your point?
Geet Off My Lawn April 3, 2010, 2:28 a.m.
Do you
it's urban gardening!whiners masturbate to organic food and shovels or something? Why the obsessive attachment?Geet Off My Lawn April 3, 2010, 2:28 a.m.
Do you
it's urban gardening!whiners masturbate to organic food and shovels or something? Why the obsessive attachment?Ben April 3, 2010, 2:45 a.m.
Putting aside the blatant vandalism of school property and the obnoxious drumming during a stressful study season, I am quite curious.
What, with no leadership, are you planning on accomplishing? I've talked to many students involved who all claimed it was fun and the right thing to do, but no one really seems to know what they're fighting for. I think this
guerrilla gardeningwould be seen in a much for favourable light if there was a clear mission statement. I’m also curious as to why the community garden over by the soccer fields is over grown and unkempt if there is such an “avid” gardening population at U of Vic.I am a student at U of Vic and your actions embarrass me.
Ben April 3, 2010, 2:45 a.m.
Putting aside the blatant vandalism of school property and the obnoxious drumming during a stressful study season, I am quite curious.
What, with no leadership, are you planning on accomplishing? I've talked to many students involved who all claimed it was fun and the right thing to do, but no one really seems to know what they're fighting for. I think this
guerrilla gardeningwould be seen in a much for favourable light if there was a clear mission statement. I’m also curious as to why the community garden over by the soccer fields is over grown and unkempt if there is such an “avid” gardening population at U of Vic.I am a student at U of Vic and your actions embarrass me.
Bahram Farzady April 3, 2010, 2:59 a.m.
I think it's pretty obvious what they're trying to accomplish. They don't have to put out a newsletter (though that might help).
They want to use the otherwise useless lawns all over Victoria to grow local fruit and vegetables for people living in Victoria. Or at least - they want to raise a question in peoples minds about what use their empty lawns are to them.
It wouldn't be ridiculous for the university to use some of those big empty fields for something constructive rather than some sort of outdated aesthetic ideal (i.e. the English lawn).
It might even get Uvic recognition as a pioneering school one day.
I mean, it's not like the grass takes care of itself. There are grounds people at Uvic. Why can't they put their efforts to something more useful (i.e. planting and harvesting organic fruits and vegetables).
There are a lot of questions of the economic viability of such a venture, but if people are volunteering to keep this garden up I don't see the problem.
Uvic's idea of spending our money to buy whatever expensive soils, grass and fertilizers to turn the garden into lawn after these people are forced to give up their protest is what's ridiculous.
Bahram Farzady April 3, 2010, 2:59 a.m.
I think it's pretty obvious what they're trying to accomplish. They don't have to put out a newsletter (though that might help).
They want to use the otherwise useless lawns all over Victoria to grow local fruit and vegetables for people living in Victoria. Or at least - they want to raise a question in peoples minds about what use their empty lawns are to them.
It wouldn't be ridiculous for the university to use some of those big empty fields for something constructive rather than some sort of outdated aesthetic ideal (i.e. the English lawn).
It might even get Uvic recognition as a pioneering school one day.
I mean, it's not like the grass takes care of itself. There are grounds people at Uvic. Why can't they put their efforts to something more useful (i.e. planting and harvesting organic fruits and vegetables).
There are a lot of questions of the economic viability of such a venture, but if people are volunteering to keep this garden up I don't see the problem.
Uvic's idea of spending our money to buy whatever expensive soils, grass and fertilizers to turn the garden into lawn after these people are forced to give up their protest is what's ridiculous.
Ben April 3, 2010, 3:12 a.m.
With all due respect, the idea of gardening in that area is foolish. The quad is covered in grass because it is an economical way to benefit the majority of students. Students who like to play frisbee, study, and pick-nick on university grounds. Though the idea is quite romantic, the epicenter of U of Vic is one of the worst places to grow a garden due mainly to its geographic location and its proximity to a booming bunny population.
As a student, I would greatly appreciate it if you could put more of your efforts to the designated community gardens.
http://web.uvic.ca/~ccgarden/
I
m sure youre enthusiasm and energy would be greatly appreciated.Thank you.
Ben April 3, 2010, 3:12 a.m.
With all due respect, the idea of gardening in that area is foolish. The quad is covered in grass because it is an economical way to benefit the majority of students. Students who like to play frisbee, study, and pick-nick on university grounds. Though the idea is quite romantic, the epicenter of U of Vic is one of the worst places to grow a garden due mainly to its geographic location and its proximity to a booming bunny population.
As a student, I would greatly appreciate it if you could put more of your efforts to the designated community gardens.
http://web.uvic.ca/~ccgarden/
I
m sure youre enthusiasm and energy would be greatly appreciated.Thank you.
Kay April 3, 2010, 1:54 p.m.
How exactly will a garden in that area grow into a
... colourful garden that any single one of you can stop by and pick a carrot or strawberry from in the summer or fall.Yet you admit its full ofrabbit shitmeaning that rabbits are actively in the area. How will you keep the rabbits from eating your garden? Will there be fences to keep them out, in the middle of campus? It just doesn't seem to be a well thought out idea. I understand the need for local agriculture, but there are much more effective places to implement this.Kay April 3, 2010, 1:54 p.m.
How exactly will a garden in that area grow into a
... colourful garden that any single one of you can stop by and pick a carrot or strawberry from in the summer or fall.Yet you admit its full ofrabbit shitmeaning that rabbits are actively in the area. How will you keep the rabbits from eating your garden? Will there be fences to keep them out, in the middle of campus? It just doesn't seem to be a well thought out idea. I understand the need for local agriculture, but there are much more effective places to implement this.