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Mar 12, 2009 | Volume 61 Issue 26 | 14 Comments
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Marginalization doesn’t exist

The article in the Martlet of February 26 titled “Funding decisions imminent for UVic’s advocacy groups” is grossly misleading.

It calls four of these groups, the Native Students’ Union, The Women’s Collective, The Students of Colour Collective, and UVic Pride, “marginalized,” yet one group, the Native Students’ Union, is having a multimillion dollar building built to recognize their needs, and another, The Women’s Collective, by its own admission, serves approximately three-quarters of UVic’s student population.

This is hardly marginalization. The Students of Colour Collective represents students of colour — but against what? There is now law in place to protect them against discrimination. Finally, there is UVic Pride. While certainly a legitimate cause, why is it entitled to special funding and not, say, the Muslim Students Association (of which I am not, in any way, affiliated with)?

Both represent groups on campus, and both advocate for their respective groups interests — special interests, I might add, ones that are undoubtedly important, but do not necessarily matter to the general student body. Furthermore, why are “advocacy groups,” entitled to special funding, when other support groups are called clubs and must receive funding, often limited and sometimes denied, from the club fund? While the battles these advocacy groups are fighting are by no means over, other groups, under the club label, are fighting for equally important causes, sometimes receiving no funding at all due to political considerations by the UVSS. What gives these four groups, no longer representing repressed groups, but rather representing well-known political interests, special funding? I do not wish to pay more to these groups in an earmarked amount because they are considered, for political reasons, “marginalized.” I see no evidence of this marginalization.

Garrett E. S. Therrien UVic student

Obama fights climate change

During his last visit to Canada, U.S. President Barack Obama said the following about the climate crisis: “We can benefit by listening and sharing ideas, and my hope is that we emerge from this process firmly committed to dealing with an issue that, ultimately, the Prime Minister’s children and my children are going to have to live with for many years.”

From March 2 to 6, hundreds of professors and thousands of students are taking those words to heart as they share ideas on climate crisis. This week, professors participating in the second province-wide Teach-In will devote time from every class to discuss climate change with their students.

Why? Because, post-secondary institutions bring together diverse expertise, have a large economic impact, and are cradles of innovation. They have the potential catalyze change in their communities.

It should come as no surprise to find young people leading these discussions; after all, we have the most at stake. We will be forced to pay the debt created today. We will be forced to live in a world damaged by current negligence. The decisions being made at this crucial moment in our planet’s history will affect us more than anyone. We are the true stakeholders. We aren’t simply hoping that this issue is addressed; we are demanding that it be addressed by starting the process ourselves.

Christina Service UVic student

Thank you, UVic students

On behalf of Access UVic, the Association of Disabled Students, I would like to thank undergraduates for voting YES to our referendum question in last week’s election.

We deeply appreciate your generosity and support. All students are warmly invited to use our library, participate in our discussion series or sign language classes, access our advocacy services and attend our special events.

We invite you to share in our aspirations and take pride in our accomplishments. Thanks to you, Access now has sufficient confidence and funding to accomplish its goals. Please feel free to visit us whenever you are in the SUB.

Kyla Berry President

Access UVic

YPY vote should go to students

To the current UVSS Board: can we add the question of Youth Protecting Youth club funding to a board meeting agenda? Can we put the question of “to fund or not to fund” to a democratic student referendum?

The YPY have violated clubs policy and are determined to fight the issue of funding to the bitter end, which for them will only come when the UVSS is exhausted and bankrupt. Club Council is not democratically elected by the student body and should have no say in how student fees are allocated; leave this up to the fee-paying students or their elected representatives.

If the YPY is not satisfied with the UVSS decision to withhold funding to their rule-breaking club, let them be satisfied with a student body vote.

I for one will show up, as I did with 600 other students in 2005, to let YPY know where my feelings are in regards to this issue. Now that our money is at stake, let us decide where it should go.

Brittany Wiens UVic student

YPY doesn’t deserve funding

The Martlet failed to explain this reasoning for denying Youth Protecting Youth funding.

The clubs policy states that funding is granted by clubs council and the UVSS. The UVSS has a pro-choice policy which was decided by many undergrads at a UVSS AGM.

The activities of YPY have been shown to be anti-choice, not pro-life, because the activities include intimidating women away from abortions and labeling the choice to abort as an act of murder, instead of including support for pregnant mothers.

Clubs Council felt YPY had a right to organize and exercise “Freedom of speech” but not to alienate the membership. Board members had expressed concern for women on campus who have complained about this club’s activities.

Clubs Council decisions are not subject to the same constitutional frameworks that the board of directors’ decisions are; therefore, it is within the duties of the board to scrutinize the decisions made at council meetings to verify the extent to which decisions correspond with the UVSS constitution.

As per clubs policy, YPY has the right to appeal the decision of the board at a future date if it wishes. The UVSS does not deny the “freedom to speech.”

Christine Comrie Outgoing Director of Services

Elections scandal at Martlet

We were hired as the two Deputy Electoral Officers for the UVSS Elections that occurred last week here at UVic. Having seen what kind of drama, excitement, scandal and conspiracy these elections have created in past years, we were extremely content that all candidates decided to play the “game” fairly.

However, the Elections Office was not entirely pleased. Last week’s issue of the Martlet ran one story on the UVSS Elections, several letters, and a number of opinion pieces and editorials surrounding particular candidates that were running. After looking through the Martlet last Thursday and reading all of these articles regarding the elections, there was one issue that has sparked some heated debate around campus that we both feel also needs some rationalization and clarification.

What was the deal with the size of that crossword puzzle? Come on candidates, you could have used the Martlet to your campaigning advantage and we, as a campus, wouldn’t have had to suffer with an awkwardly large word game.

Shawn Slavin and Tim Hindmarch-Watson

Happy with referendum results

I came to UVic to meet new people and to have new experiences. I would never get involved with an organization for Asian males, because what would be the point?

I think it’s too bad that some of the advocacy groups have turned into exclusive clubs instead of embracing people of different backgrounds and trying to move forward.

I think Access UVic has done a good job including non-disabled students and advocating within the university for issues that affect students. I’m glad that was reflected in the results of the referendum.

Andrew Yao UVic student

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  • Adrienne Wong March 13, 2009, 1:20 a.m.

    I am not sure what Constitutional Frameworks Christine Comrie is claiming student Clubs lack. Student Clubs are all required to operate under their respective club constitutions and Clubs Council is the governing body for UVSS clubs.

    In fact, I would argue that clubs council is more democratic than the UVSS. Most Club Presidents are democratically elected by their members - of which thousands of UVic students are members.

    Might I remind UVic students that our new Chairperson, Veronica Harrison, was elected by approximately 3.5% of UVic students. How democratic is that?

    (Not to mention, Clubs Council has never been investigated for electoral fraud...)

  • Adrienne Wong March 13, 2009, 1:20 a.m.

    I am not sure what Constitutional Frameworks Christine Comrie is claiming student Clubs lack. Student Clubs are all required to operate under their respective club constitutions and Clubs Council is the governing body for UVSS clubs.

    In fact, I would argue that clubs council is more democratic than the UVSS. Most Club Presidents are democratically elected by their members - of which thousands of UVic students are members.

    Might I remind UVic students that our new Chairperson, Veronica Harrison, was elected by approximately 3.5% of UVic students. How democratic is that?

    (Not to mention, Clubs Council has never been investigated for electoral fraud...)

  • Kelseyh@gmail.com March 13, 2009, 1:50 a.m.

    Let us follow her logic. To quote Comrie in the above letter with capitalized emphasis:

    Clubs Council decisions are not subject to the same CONSTITUTIONAL frameworks that the board of directors’ decisions are; therefore, IT IS WITHIN THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD TO SCRUTINIZE the decisions made at council meetings to verify the extent to which decisions correspond with the UVSS constitution.

    To quote Comrie earlier this year with capitalized emphasis:

    “[Clubs Council] should make the decision. Clubs Council is invested with making this decision because the money is allocated to them to determine who should be given funding. I THINK IT'S TOTALLY WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION FOR THEM TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS; [especially] ... after the fact that we had already sent it back to them for decision” (board meeting, Nov. 3, 2008).

    Could Comrie please explain how clubs council should make the decision on YPY funding because it is totally within their jurisdiction yet somehow later when the vote goes against her wishes, the same clubs council she supported to make the decision is suddenly not subject to the same constitutional frameworks that allow them to make this decision?

    If Comrie is going to try to slip out of this contradiction by stating that the board's violation of clubs council's autonomy is an extreme exception because it was constitutionally necessary under UVSS bylaws (something I would dispute); then why would Comrie, our former Director of Services, support giving clubs council a decision in the first place if she thought it was unconstitutional to provide funding? Why would she support giving them a choice on the matter if any decision to fund YPY was unconstitutional for her?

    Any way you look at it or defend it, Comrie flip flopped. There is simply no way around it. More importantly, it is clear that her change of opinion on the matter is directly related to the outcome of how clubs council voted. I think Christine Comrie should apologize to the UVSS for allowing her personal opinion to interfere with the democratic governance of the UVSS. Comrie is perfectly within her right to believe that YPY should have no funding, but she is NOT within her right to manipulate the jurisdictions of important democratic bodies because she finds it suddenly convenient for her to do so.

    If you tell a democratic body that they have jurisdiction over a matter and then later take it away from them, you need to apologize. By midleading everyone by saying that the decision of clubs council would be honoured, she wasted the time of many, many people who took the time to attend that clubs council meeting (including those who voted against funding). Those people consulted with their clubs (many of whom devoted much discussion to the issue before deciding) and took the time to show up because they thought that their input mattered. By suddenly changing her position when it comes to club's council ability to make the decision, Comrie has wasted the time of all of these people. For wasting their time and misleading them, I feel Comrie is obligated to apologize to clubs council and the UVSS as a whole for her poltically convenient flip flop.

  • Kelseyh@gmail.com March 13, 2009, 1:50 a.m.

    Let us follow her logic. To quote Comrie in the above letter with capitalized emphasis:

    Clubs Council decisions are not subject to the same CONSTITUTIONAL frameworks that the board of directors’ decisions are; therefore, IT IS WITHIN THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD TO SCRUTINIZE the decisions made at council meetings to verify the extent to which decisions correspond with the UVSS constitution.

    To quote Comrie earlier this year with capitalized emphasis:

    “[Clubs Council] should make the decision. Clubs Council is invested with making this decision because the money is allocated to them to determine who should be given funding. I THINK IT'S TOTALLY WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION FOR THEM TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS; [especially] ... after the fact that we had already sent it back to them for decision” (board meeting, Nov. 3, 2008).

    Could Comrie please explain how clubs council should make the decision on YPY funding because it is totally within their jurisdiction yet somehow later when the vote goes against her wishes, the same clubs council she supported to make the decision is suddenly not subject to the same constitutional frameworks that allow them to make this decision?

    If Comrie is going to try to slip out of this contradiction by stating that the board's violation of clubs council's autonomy is an extreme exception because it was constitutionally necessary under UVSS bylaws (something I would dispute); then why would Comrie, our former Director of Services, support giving clubs council a decision in the first place if she thought it was unconstitutional to provide funding? Why would she support giving them a choice on the matter if any decision to fund YPY was unconstitutional for her?

    Any way you look at it or defend it, Comrie flip flopped. There is simply no way around it. More importantly, it is clear that her change of opinion on the matter is directly related to the outcome of how clubs council voted. I think Christine Comrie should apologize to the UVSS for allowing her personal opinion to interfere with the democratic governance of the UVSS. Comrie is perfectly within her right to believe that YPY should have no funding, but she is NOT within her right to manipulate the jurisdictions of important democratic bodies because she finds it suddenly convenient for her to do so.

    If you tell a democratic body that they have jurisdiction over a matter and then later take it away from them, you need to apologize. By midleading everyone by saying that the decision of clubs council would be honoured, she wasted the time of many, many people who took the time to attend that clubs council meeting (including those who voted against funding). Those people consulted with their clubs (many of whom devoted much discussion to the issue before deciding) and took the time to show up because they thought that their input mattered. By suddenly changing her position when it comes to club's council ability to make the decision, Comrie has wasted the time of all of these people. For wasting their time and misleading them, I feel Comrie is obligated to apologize to clubs council and the UVSS as a whole for her poltically convenient flip flop.

  • Mary-Anne DuPont March 13, 2009, 2:17 a.m.

    I think the activities of Christine Comrie have been shown to be anti-choice.

  • Mary-Anne DuPont March 13, 2009, 2:17 a.m.

    I think the activities of Christine Comrie have been shown to be anti-choice.

  • Kelsey Hannan March 13, 2009, 3:39 a.m.

    Christine Comrie claims that she is following the democratic will of 600 students who voted in favour of a pro-choice position for the UVSS. However, these people did NOT vote to ban funding to any club that was not pro choice, rather their vote simply upheld Part J, Section 3 of the UVSS Issues Policy which states that the UVSS supports a pro-choice positon. Their vote was NOT a mandate to deny funding to pro life clubs. If Comrie believes that Part J, Section 3 is a mandate to deny funding to YPY, that means all clubs in contravention of any UVSS Issues Policy would also be denied funding too.

    Let's take Comrie's logic and apply it. Are you in a club that believes in free markets? Well too bad, no funding for you; support for NAFTA or any concept of trade liberalisation is opposed under Part U, Section 1 and 2. Are you in any club representing a mainstream political party in North America? Sorry, you don't get funding because support for the existence of anything resembling NATO or NORAD is not allowed under Part O, Section 2. Well, there goes my idea for a Barack Obama appreciation club.

    Want to create a club against government deficits? You better be careful, because you could be denied funding by implicitly supporting the cutting of social programs under Part Q, Section 1. Are you in the Canadian military and interested in a creating a club for your fellow serviceman? Well you're out of luck, because any attempt would be denied funding under Part O, Section 3. Passionate about the referendum on BC-STV coming up in the provincial election and want to create a club on the issue? Well good luck getting funding if you're on the No side because support for proportional representation is in there too (Part G, Section 1).

    I'm not criticizing the above UVSS Issues Policies--they represent the will of the student society. What I'm criticizing is any attempt to use the above UVSS Issues Policies as a way to justify the denial of club funding. This is exactly what Christine Comrie did. She justifies her position of denying funding to YPY by saying that she is constitutionally bound to do so under UVSS Issue Policies. However, if you take this logic, many currently funded clubs should also be denied funding for being in violation of the above policy issues.

    The UVSS Issues Policy exists to govern the conduct and advocacy of the student society itself. It is a useful guide to clarify what positions the UVSS should advocate for when going to CFS and Government meetings where board members are required to provide political opinion on current events. The Policy was NOT created to harass clubs and no where in the constitution does it state that clubs must comply with UVSS Issue Policies. I think this is an important clarification that Christine Comrie has missed.

  • Kelsey Hannan March 13, 2009, 3:39 a.m.

    Christine Comrie claims that she is following the democratic will of 600 students who voted in favour of a pro-choice position for the UVSS. However, these people did NOT vote to ban funding to any club that was not pro choice, rather their vote simply upheld Part J, Section 3 of the UVSS Issues Policy which states that the UVSS supports a pro-choice positon. Their vote was NOT a mandate to deny funding to pro life clubs. If Comrie believes that Part J, Section 3 is a mandate to deny funding to YPY, that means all clubs in contravention of any UVSS Issues Policy would also be denied funding too.

    Let's take Comrie's logic and apply it. Are you in a club that believes in free markets? Well too bad, no funding for you; support for NAFTA or any concept of trade liberalisation is opposed under Part U, Section 1 and 2. Are you in any club representing a mainstream political party in North America? Sorry, you don't get funding because support for the existence of anything resembling NATO or NORAD is not allowed under Part O, Section 2. Well, there goes my idea for a Barack Obama appreciation club.

    Want to create a club against government deficits? You better be careful, because you could be denied funding by implicitly supporting the cutting of social programs under Part Q, Section 1. Are you in the Canadian military and interested in a creating a club for your fellow serviceman? Well you're out of luck, because any attempt would be denied funding under Part O, Section 3. Passionate about the referendum on BC-STV coming up in the provincial election and want to create a club on the issue? Well good luck getting funding if you're on the No side because support for proportional representation is in there too (Part G, Section 1).

    I'm not criticizing the above UVSS Issues Policies--they represent the will of the student society. What I'm criticizing is any attempt to use the above UVSS Issues Policies as a way to justify the denial of club funding. This is exactly what Christine Comrie did. She justifies her position of denying funding to YPY by saying that she is constitutionally bound to do so under UVSS Issue Policies. However, if you take this logic, many currently funded clubs should also be denied funding for being in violation of the above policy issues.

    The UVSS Issues Policy exists to govern the conduct and advocacy of the student society itself. It is a useful guide to clarify what positions the UVSS should advocate for when going to CFS and Government meetings where board members are required to provide political opinion on current events. The Policy was NOT created to harass clubs and no where in the constitution does it state that clubs must comply with UVSS Issue Policies. I think this is an important clarification that Christine Comrie has missed.

  • Jeremy March 13, 2009, 11:53 a.m.

    So it has clearly been shown that our former Director of Services has been hypocritical on this issue. However, I would implore our former Director of Services to enlighten us as to how the club YPY has been shown to be anti-choice, not pro-life. If this is a reference back to the YPY posters that were of concern last semester, then this argument was previously dissolved by the fact that the posters were approved. The UVSS cannot use the postering example against YPY because the posters were approved and YPY was acting well within its boundaries. If the UVSS thought that the posters promoted negative messages towards women, then maybe there needs to be some refinements in the poster approval process, not in the funding status of the club.

    In agreement with the above outlined arguments, there is NO PREREQUISITE for clubs to be in accordance with UVSS mandates. As shown above, numerous clubs are in opposition to some aspect of the UVSS constitution. To deny club rights to a club that does not agree with the mandate of the overarching governing body sounds kind of like oppression and dictatorship, doesn't it?

    And to Brittany Wiens, I also ask two things: what rules that YPY has broken, and should the approval of all clubs funding go to a student body vote? If that were the case, I think there would be a lot less clubs on this campus. The point of a club is to advocate for minority groups.

  • Jeremy March 13, 2009, 11:53 a.m.

    So it has clearly been shown that our former Director of Services has been hypocritical on this issue. However, I would implore our former Director of Services to enlighten us as to how the club YPY has been shown to be anti-choice, not pro-life. If this is a reference back to the YPY posters that were of concern last semester, then this argument was previously dissolved by the fact that the posters were approved. The UVSS cannot use the postering example against YPY because the posters were approved and YPY was acting well within its boundaries. If the UVSS thought that the posters promoted negative messages towards women, then maybe there needs to be some refinements in the poster approval process, not in the funding status of the club.

    In agreement with the above outlined arguments, there is NO PREREQUISITE for clubs to be in accordance with UVSS mandates. As shown above, numerous clubs are in opposition to some aspect of the UVSS constitution. To deny club rights to a club that does not agree with the mandate of the overarching governing body sounds kind of like oppression and dictatorship, doesn't it?

    And to Brittany Wiens, I also ask two things: what rules that YPY has broken, and should the approval of all clubs funding go to a student body vote? If that were the case, I think there would be a lot less clubs on this campus. The point of a club is to advocate for minority groups.

  • UVic Student March 13, 2009, 5:49 p.m.

    I am completely baffled by Comrie's reelection (albeit D@L this time) for Team FAST. How do students not know how ridiculously she has carried herself?

  • UVic Student March 13, 2009, 5:49 p.m.

    I am completely baffled by Comrie's reelection (albeit D@L this time) for Team FAST. How do students not know how ridiculously she has carried herself?

  • another uvic studentq March 16, 2009, 7:33 p.m.

    Maybe students just don't give a shit...unlike the people in this forum.

  • another uvic studentq March 16, 2009, 7:33 p.m.

    Maybe students just don't give a shit...unlike the people in this forum.

 

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