Multiple voting possible at UVic
Did you vote in this last UVSS election — how about more than once?
Shawn Slavin knew it was possible to vote twice. What he didn’t anticipate, however, was just how easy it would be.
“They didn’t even write my name down — I could have put ‘John Smith,’” Slavin said, walking out of the poll both on March 4 with an extra ballot in hand.
While Slavin didn’t actually deposit two ballots in the 2010 UVic Students’ Society (UVSS) election, he went through the steps of obtaining both, just to prove it was possible. He later surrendered the extra ballot to the UVSS electoral committee.
“Up until yesterday, I could get new stickers for my student card. All it takes is saving one of those stickers and replacing the one they take a notch out of,” said Slavin. “I could have ‘lost’ my sticker 10 or 17 times this past year.”
Slavin’s mission wasn’t just to prove the current system defunct, but to show how important moving to secure online voting is for the UVSS elections — a system currently used by both the UVic Senate and Board of Governors.
“The difference between student politics and ‘real’ politics is that there are no repercussions for voting multiple times,” Slavin said. “It’s become an American Idol-style election, in that you can vote for your favourite as many times as you want.”
Voting multiple times in Canada can earn you a fine of up to $5,000 and a year in jail, and can prohibit people from holding office or voting in local government elections for up to six years. Voting multiple times in the UVSS, however, goes largely undetected.
“It would take thousands of man- hours to cross-check lists and see who voted twice, and even then we have no way of tracking who they voted for,” Slavin said.
Slavin was a deputy electoral officer for the UVSS elections in 2008 and 2009. He applied again this year, but was rejected. Instead, he started a two-person slate with running mate Sean Walsh, looking to shed light on how much of a “sham” the UVSS elections can be. While neither Slavin nor Walsh were elected, Slavin feels confident that the point has been made.
Slavin said that multiple voting was a concern the first year he was involved with the elections. A motion was put forward at the beginning of this year to move the UVSS to an online system, but it saw no follow-through. Now, the move will be left in the hands of the incoming executives.
UVSS Chair-elect James Coccola feels just as strongly about the need for voting reform.
“With paper ballots, it’s all up to human error,” said Coccola. “[With the move online] it’s about finding a way of doing it right and making it fair.”
Coccola says that, while there are some valid concerns about the move, online systems have historically increased voter turnout and saved funds previously spent on ballots, poll-sitters, counters and more.
UVSS Chief Electoral Officer Conrad Vanderkamp agrees that an online system could erase some problems, but says many more would be created.
“I don’t know what bugs could be in the system, but there’s concern to be raised when you don’t have the physical evidence to prove what was submitted,” he said. “That said, web-based info has become much more significant, and in a few years we’ve gone from a horse-and-buggy setup to a much more sophisticated race.”
Poll-sitter Meghan Woods feels confident that paper ballots still have their place in student elections.
“Without the election booths, [voting] isn’t in your face, and you can’t see your friends doing it,” she said.
While this was the first time Woods was hired as a poll-sitter, the fourth-year psychology student said the current system is easy to understand.
“The process is really straightforward, and [poll sitting] is a great way to make a little extra money as a student,” she said.
Still, Slavin says the need for change is highlighted by this year’s director of academics contest, where one vote separates current winner Leah Staples from Rajpreet Sall.
“It just takes one person voting an extra time to change the whole election,” he said. “Right now, with the resources we have, there’s nothing we can do.”


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Angela Lorenz March 11, 2010, 3:04 a.m.
Thats an awesome picture Shawn. I agree that this has the potential to be a huge issue and by changing to online voting could solve the problem. Not to mention the fact that it would be more sustainable to go with a paperless option, the question is, how many people would vote if it was online?? Senate and BoG is online and it gets a much worse voter turnout than the UVSS does, is that something that we are willing to sacrifice when we only get 20% turnout right now??
Angela Lorenz March 11, 2010, 3:04 a.m.
Thats an awesome picture Shawn. I agree that this has the potential to be a huge issue and by changing to online voting could solve the problem. Not to mention the fact that it would be more sustainable to go with a paperless option, the question is, how many people would vote if it was online?? Senate and BoG is online and it gets a much worse voter turnout than the UVSS does, is that something that we are willing to sacrifice when we only get 20% turnout right now??
Remember the Recount March 11, 2010, 4:55 a.m.
The torture that Leah Staples and Rajpreet Sall have been put through as a result of paper ballots should be evidence enough that we need to move online. Since learning about the results at the Friday count, both candidates have seen their placements relative to eachother jump around--first Rajpreet was down by 3 (after the initial count), then she was down by 1 (after vouchers+coop), then she took a 2 vote lead with a few more coop ballots--and then after a tedious 6 hour plus recount she took an 8 ballot lead.
As someone who saw the recount for the insanely close Academics race take place, some of the rulings the CEO was forced to make regarding the
intentionof a voter on a paper ballot were painstakingly difficult and should serve as a reminder for the need to move to online voting. In fact, some of these ambiguous ballots could have resulted in legal challenges by both parties due to their ambiguity.One ballot had a checkmark slip right in between both candidates--both sides could have easily made the argument the vote was intended for their side.
Other difficult ballots that were confronted and could have caused serious problems if the Academics race remained one or two votes apart as it was before coops arrived:
a ballot with
Sallerased andWalmartwritten in, then with a circle aroundStaples(Get it.. Walmart and Staples!) Does such an action on a ballot constitute an endorsement for Staples or a write in for Walmart, or is the ballot an overvote because it endorses multiple candidates?a ballot with the initials of
JBwritten in (voters can't identify themselves on a ballot... it was disputed whetherjbas initials indicates identification of a voter, which is strictly not allowed for any paper ballot election).a ballot with two shaded boxes--but with one a little more shaded than the other--thus an ensuing debate over whether it was a spoiled ballot or intended towards one candidate.
a ballot with a clean checkmark for every Executive but then with a scribbled over checkmark for the Academics spot--was this voter correcting their vote or simply trying to spoil an accidental vote for the Academics spot?
Finally, there was actually a very clearly marked
Xballot for one candidate that had actually been counted as a spoil--again, a costly mistake in an election this close.If the Academics race ended up becoming decided by one vote as it was earlier on, many of these ballots could have become the basis for expensive court challenges by whoever lost. And we aren't done with ambiguous ballots or painful recounts either--the votes for Director at Large still need to be recounted, and those ballots are expected to be even more time consuming.
Academics took 6 hours to recount, and that was a race between TWO candidates for ONE position. The Director at Large recount is for 11 positions with 30+ candidates on the ballot--it will be a miracle if the recount is finished in under 8 hours (Justin Bedi is only leading Leah Ritch by three votes right now). The sheer time, money and effort necessary to complete these painstakingly slow endeavours should be reason enough to move the whole system online.
If you need any more justification though, with online elections:
You don't have the threat of ballot theft, as you do with paper elections and as has happened in UVSS elections before.
You save paper.
You know the result immediately.
You make voting accessible to co-op students who don't have to bother with mail in co-op ballots to vote.
You increase voter participation in UVic Board of Governors and Senate races.
You remove human counting mistakes from the results.
You don't need to hire pollsitters to staff polling stations--who often make innocent security mistakes while on the job that seriously compromise the integrity of elections.
You end the possibility of double voting.
You can hold many more referendums and democratic consultations, since there is no extra cost to counting these additional votes and ballots for an already debt ridden student society.
I can understand the hesitation of Elections BC or Canada to embrace online voting--but at the student society level, especially when UVic offers such a secure system, the choice is clear. Online voting makes so much sense it's just a matter of board members getting off their ass to implement it.
Remember the Recount March 11, 2010, 4:55 a.m.
The torture that Leah Staples and Rajpreet Sall have been put through as a result of paper ballots should be evidence enough that we need to move online. Since learning about the results at the Friday count, both candidates have seen their placements relative to eachother jump around--first Rajpreet was down by 3 (after the initial count), then she was down by 1 (after vouchers+coop), then she took a 2 vote lead with a few more coop ballots--and then after a tedious 6 hour plus recount she took an 8 ballot lead.
As someone who saw the recount for the insanely close Academics race take place, some of the rulings the CEO was forced to make regarding the
intentionof a voter on a paper ballot were painstakingly difficult and should serve as a reminder for the need to move to online voting. In fact, some of these ambiguous ballots could have resulted in legal challenges by both parties due to their ambiguity.One ballot had a checkmark slip right in between both candidates--both sides could have easily made the argument the vote was intended for their side.
Other difficult ballots that were confronted and could have caused serious problems if the Academics race remained one or two votes apart as it was before coops arrived:
a ballot with
Sallerased andWalmartwritten in, then with a circle aroundStaples(Get it.. Walmart and Staples!) Does such an action on a ballot constitute an endorsement for Staples or a write in for Walmart, or is the ballot an overvote because it endorses multiple candidates?a ballot with the initials of
JBwritten in (voters can't identify themselves on a ballot... it was disputed whetherjbas initials indicates identification of a voter, which is strictly not allowed for any paper ballot election).a ballot with two shaded boxes--but with one a little more shaded than the other--thus an ensuing debate over whether it was a spoiled ballot or intended towards one candidate.
a ballot with a clean checkmark for every Executive but then with a scribbled over checkmark for the Academics spot--was this voter correcting their vote or simply trying to spoil an accidental vote for the Academics spot?
Finally, there was actually a very clearly marked
Xballot for one candidate that had actually been counted as a spoil--again, a costly mistake in an election this close.If the Academics race ended up becoming decided by one vote as it was earlier on, many of these ballots could have become the basis for expensive court challenges by whoever lost. And we aren't done with ambiguous ballots or painful recounts either--the votes for Director at Large still need to be recounted, and those ballots are expected to be even more time consuming.
Academics took 6 hours to recount, and that was a race between TWO candidates for ONE position. The Director at Large recount is for 11 positions with 30+ candidates on the ballot--it will be a miracle if the recount is finished in under 8 hours (Justin Bedi is only leading Leah Ritch by three votes right now). The sheer time, money and effort necessary to complete these painstakingly slow endeavours should be reason enough to move the whole system online.
If you need any more justification though, with online elections:
You don't have the threat of ballot theft, as you do with paper elections and as has happened in UVSS elections before.
You save paper.
You know the result immediately.
You make voting accessible to co-op students who don't have to bother with mail in co-op ballots to vote.
You increase voter participation in UVic Board of Governors and Senate races.
You remove human counting mistakes from the results.
You don't need to hire pollsitters to staff polling stations--who often make innocent security mistakes while on the job that seriously compromise the integrity of elections.
You end the possibility of double voting.
You can hold many more referendums and democratic consultations, since there is no extra cost to counting these additional votes and ballots for an already debt ridden student society.
I can understand the hesitation of Elections BC or Canada to embrace online voting--but at the student society level, especially when UVic offers such a secure system, the choice is clear. Online voting makes so much sense it's just a matter of board members getting off their ass to implement it.
Andrew A March 11, 2010, 7:38 p.m.
Before we all make the rush to go to online elections, we need to ensure the system is secure and reliable. After hearing about the current fraud concerns at UBC, I don't want to see this repeated here.
http://www2.canada.com/vancouvercourier/news/story.html?id=0a6db426-3f6e-4dc2-b7ec-c3ddf70be1a9
According to Ferreras, the 731 votes were all cast from the same IP address. The ballots came in on the last day of the election at a rate of one vote every 16 seconds.Andrew A March 11, 2010, 7:38 p.m.
Before we all make the rush to go to online elections, we need to ensure the system is secure and reliable. After hearing about the current fraud concerns at UBC, I don't want to see this repeated here.
http://www2.canada.com/vancouvercourier/news/story.html?id=0a6db426-3f6e-4dc2-b7ec-c3ddf70be1a9
According to Ferreras, the 731 votes were all cast from the same IP address. The ballots came in on the last day of the election at a rate of one vote every 16 seconds.David March 11, 2010, 10:26 p.m.
I think online voting is a good idea. Interesting link Andrew, but I think it's more a warning that we should be careful when building an online system and leave it to experts. Avoiding online voting altogether is probably overkill.
David March 11, 2010, 10:26 p.m.
I think online voting is a good idea. Interesting link Andrew, but I think it's more a warning that we should be careful when building an online system and leave it to experts. Avoiding online voting altogether is probably overkill.
Can uSource be hacked? March 11, 2010, 11:33 p.m.
It should be noted that the UVSS would go onto the uSource system for online voting--which already handles sensitive security features such as tuition payments and course drop outs. I would expect UVic's level of security with their online registration system is high enough to stop the kind of things were seeing with the AMS-administered voting system.
It would be pretty tough to create hundreds of fake uSource accounts and not have the administrators notice. Not many apathetic students are willing to give their uSource password out either, so the issue of one individual voting through multiple accounts is very unlikely.
Can uSource be hacked? March 11, 2010, 11:33 p.m.
It should be noted that the UVSS would go onto the uSource system for online voting--which already handles sensitive security features such as tuition payments and course drop outs. I would expect UVic's level of security with their online registration system is high enough to stop the kind of things were seeing with the AMS-administered voting system.
It would be pretty tough to create hundreds of fake uSource accounts and not have the administrators notice. Not many apathetic students are willing to give their uSource password out either, so the issue of one individual voting through multiple accounts is very unlikely.
uSource opens up many opportunities March 12, 2010, 8:26 p.m.
It should be stated that uSource also allows ballots to be customized based on detailed information of WHO that student is, which holds a number of exciting opportunities for the UVSS in the future.
uSource could allow for the easy election of faculty-specific board positions in the future--something that would be a nightmare to implement through paper balloting because your student ID doesn't show what Faculty you're in.
For some advocacy groups, (especially for the Native Students Union where I believe uSource already has aboriginal status registered and thus eligibility is less ambiguous), you could allow every qualifying student to vote on who their board rep would be. This forces candidates from advocacy groups to increase engagement with their constituencies, which will only further benefit the organizational health of these groups in the long run.
Finally, online elections open up opportunities for voting system reform. More proportional or Fair systems like Instant Runoff Voting, Condorcet or STV for electing positions could be adopted with great ease--it would simply be a matter of programming the right formula to tabulate the votes, which I'm sure UVic programmers could facilitate.
uSource opens up many opportunities March 12, 2010, 8:26 p.m.
It should be stated that uSource also allows ballots to be customized based on detailed information of WHO that student is, which holds a number of exciting opportunities for the UVSS in the future.
uSource could allow for the easy election of faculty-specific board positions in the future--something that would be a nightmare to implement through paper balloting because your student ID doesn't show what Faculty you're in.
For some advocacy groups, (especially for the Native Students Union where I believe uSource already has aboriginal status registered and thus eligibility is less ambiguous), you could allow every qualifying student to vote on who their board rep would be. This forces candidates from advocacy groups to increase engagement with their constituencies, which will only further benefit the organizational health of these groups in the long run.
Finally, online elections open up opportunities for voting system reform. More proportional or Fair systems like Instant Runoff Voting, Condorcet or STV for electing positions could be adopted with great ease--it would simply be a matter of programming the right formula to tabulate the votes, which I'm sure UVic programmers could facilitate.